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PC users are switching to the Mac and even high-end Android owners are turning to the iPhone, and it’s not just because of Apple’s peculiar gift of Clash of Clans gems.

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  • (00:00) – Introduction
  • (00:58) – M3 MacBook Air
  • (05:08) – Messages storage
  • (12:34) – MacBooks vs Chromebooks
  • (24:21) – Switchers to iPhone
  • (28:35) – Marker 6
  • (39:39) – OmniOutliner and Notes
  • (40:37) – TikTok
  • (48:25) – Clash of Gems or something
  • (49:47) – Apple AI ads
  • (53:39) – Oscars
  • (54:49) – EU
  • (57:55) – Apple as a company
  • (59:11) – Epic


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a new take on platform preferences

David Heinemeier Hansson recently revealed that he's making the switch from Apple to Android and trading in his Mac for a PC. In this week's episode, cofounders of 37signals Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss the shift in direction, the events that led to the change of platform, and what the company was missing by being focused on the Apple ecosystem. 

Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X.

If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode. 


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